Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Mr_Cynic on March 22, 2008, 03:35:48 pm
-
China is managing the situation horribly; probably the worst PR disaster since Britain vs. Gandhi. So first of all, who's the face of Tibet? The Dalai Lama. Who's he? The leader of the world religion best kmeown for its constant peace and compassion, and he's the best example of it. He's a remeowned peacemaker, and just generally the nicest, most likeable guy; it's really that simple, there are no more complex words for it. He continues to advocate peaceful protest and outright friendship with the Chinese. Secondly, there's Tibet itself. China invaded it a fairly long time ago, and as far as I kmeow, they had literally no reason. They can't justify it in any way, and they can hardly justify forcing the Dalai Lama into exile or having military crackdowns. Furthermore, they're a Communist power in a world where nearly every other world power hates, or at least doesn't follow, Communism. Also, Tibet is one of the most impoverished, even pathetic (in the genuinely feeling bad for the people sense) regions of the world, and this is a world where governments are blamed for that, so the blame falls on China. Then, when the people protest peacefully, most of them being Buddhists and many being monks, China institutes military crackdowns; people trying to cross the border to visit exiled family members are frequently shot. And what's the icing on the cake? You're hosting the Olympics, so all eyes will be on you while you're supposed to be setting an example of a civilized country.
So here's the summary: you have no good reason, economic, ethnic, or otherwise, to occupy this country. They don't want you. They're saying so publicly. Their figurehead is one of the most liked/loved and respected people in the whole world. You're making yourself look bad. What're you doing?
-
Calling yourself america???
Haha j/k j/k
I'm pretty sure this will lead to the downfall of china.
I mean, once tibet starts uprisings they will eventually be successful. Because the chinese censor so much, once stuff gets out, it will be difficult for them to cntrol which will lead to more uprisings and eventually a toppling of the government. meow, heres the thing:
North Korea is protected by China.
IF China's government either topples, or has their miltiary distracted with stopping uprisings inside the country, NK will be basically defenseless from a northern attack. ALL of their miltiary assets are designed to repel an invasion from SK and us. If China is in lots of trouble, and we make a deal say:
We'll send you X amount of help if you give us this position to invade NK, they will probably accept. Then, we could take out north Koreas army with less then 10% losses to our military force. The ONLY advantage the NK have right meow is fixed artillary positions pointed south.
If I had to guess, I'd say that our government *might* throw some blackbook finances towards the rebels in china if they start to become successful because it would help us end the NK Reign of Terror.
-
I just can't even see the logic. I mean, what are they gaining from a little, impoverished, mountain country that hates them and is calling negative attention towards them during a critical year? Why keep it?
-
Show of power.
You see, the chinese government relies on fear and power to control it's citizens. How would it look to their citizens if they let a country they conquered go free beccause of protests and such? How many more parts of china would follow that lead?
Like I said, this will lead to instability, and possibly a civil war. The BEST thing we could do, is make a deal with whichever side is going to win for a place to launch an attack against North Korea. That way, we could easily take down that crazy bastard in charge and dismantle their military. Then, we re-unite North and South Korea and drop our peacekeeping force down. I mean, you don't hear about it but a LARGE amount of North Korea hates the current government. LEss then 10% of the country has power, water, and gas. There is very little food becuase Noth Korea is mainly mountains, there are alot of problems. I think that if we reunited North and south Korea, it would greatly benefit both sides.
-
Pterrydactylhis, China is one of the most rapidly growing economic powers in the world. In fact, if they wanted, they actually have the power to cripple the American economy any time they want. (Of course, doing so would wind up causing a global depression that would aversely affect their own country, but they could still do it). They are not going to be asking us to bail them out of anything in the near future.
-
We did some thing like this in the cold war did we not.
You kmeow giveing arms to the uprest to over throw the USSR.
Look what happend there.
-
Han Chinese outnumber Tibetans in their home country. I don't foresee China burritos any time soon.
Also, China does have a good reason, in their eyes, to occupy the country - it's part of China. meow you may say Tibet was an independent nation, and, originally at least, full of Tibetans and not Chinese, but to them, it's akin to the Union occupying the Confederacy. It's reunifying their country. China did rule Tibet from the 1600's until 1912, and China reoccupied it around 1950. And as far as I kmeow, China never recognized Tibet's independence - it was only independent because for most of that time, China was in a state of civil war.
-
Yay for NZ being the first to get free trade with China! I think..
-
Thay also dont recognize the Yeti nation.
-
Ok, so I can see the (semi) logic. The fact remains that on an international standpoint, this makes them look pretty damn bad.
-
So did lead paint in the kids toys, the bad dog food, sars and bird flu.
-
Ok, so I can see the (semi) logic. The fact remains that on an international standpoint, this makes them look pretty damn bad.
Well...who cares? If there was a riot in Florida for independence and there was massive international outrage, would you think the US should give Florida independence?
-
That's beside the point I'm currently trying to make. It's not good PR for China in a year where they've already been getting a lot of bad PR. But to respond to you... Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the UN, not Serbia, choose to give Kosovo it's own independence?
-
The point you're trying to make seems to be that China should give up what they consider to be part of their country for PR.
And you can't compare Serbia to the US or China. Seriously. If the UN declared part of the US or China independent, both of them are large and powerful enough to just laugh it off. Especially the US - we pay almost a quarter of the UN's expenses. Also Kosovo, IIRC, was already under UN jurisdiction due to the whole ethnic cleansing, so that makes Kosovo/Serbia's situation even more different.
-
If that's how it seems, then I apologize for being unclear. All I was trying to say was that it looks bad for them.
-
Ok, so I can see the (semi) logic. The fact remains that on an international standpoint, this makes them look pretty damn bad.
Well...who cares? If there was a riot in Florida for independence and there was massive international outrage, would you think the US should give Florida independence?
I live in Florida and I'm upset that our primary doesnt count. Plus we all speak Spanish but the gringos quieren que hablemos ingles. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
As far as the protests in China go, the Tibetans turned violent before the military got involved. Many Tibetans claim that the younger generation is disillusioned with the concept of peaceful protests, and it's a cause for concern in their society.
Atonichis, this will not lead to the downfall of China. The vast majority of Chinese people support their government in doing this, because they see it as a bunch of rowdy separatists being put in their place. They aren't going to say "Hey, Tibet is protesting. So should we!" Moreover, the motive for the riots is only found in Tibet, not in the rest of the country. Oh, and China is definitely NOT using the military to its capacity in quelling the protests. They have the most soldiers in the world, and soldiers are all that matter when putting down revolts (not planes or ships). China would never make that kind of deal with the US. China is no stranger to this. Tiananmen Square, anyone?
-
I can't be the only one wondering why this is in the Random Insanity forum and not the Debate forum. Quick, make this random and insane!
-
I can't be the only one wondering why this is in the Random Insanity forum and not the Debate forum. Quick, make this random and insane!
Don't worry about it man. Just [span style=\"color:#48D1CC\"]Chillax[/span].
-
Florida should just stop voteing. It seems that the past 3 times you all did it did not count.
-
Atonichis, China is one of the most rapidly growing economic powers in the world. In fact, if they wanted, they actually have the power to cripple the American economy any time they want. (Of course, doing so would wind up causing a global depression that would aversely affect their own country, but they could still do it). They are not going to be asking us to bail them out of anything in the near future.
They have a huge economy, but what they don't have, is a reliable military. If there were civil war, their military would NOT be able to surpress it. That is where we would come in.
I used to do analysis like this for a LIVING.
-
I used to do analysis like this for a LIVING.
Then I'm glad you no longer do it. Chinese people outside of Tibet see them as a somewhat separate problem. They won't join in because they back their government in its efforts to hold on to Tibet.
-
Maybe not against Tibet.
BUT, they might do it if the unrest escalates.
You see, the chinese government censors a whole lot of things from it's citizens. Mainly so that they would rebel. However, if most of what they censored began to reach the citizens, because they have been censored and kept out of the loop for so long, it is highly probably that it would cause an increase of unrest. That, coupled with the current actions in Tibet, could lead to a Seperation of the country, and even a Civil war. (Even if it's just Tibet waring against china, it's still a civil war). Now, they wouldn't need help with something small like tibet, but It probably wouldn't just be tibet once word got out. While the people of china support their governments hold on tibet, there have been more and more citizens speaking out against chinas government. Typically, they disappear and are not see again, but that is slowly being noticed by the toniculation (Specifically, when the wife of a tonicular anchorman barged onto camera and spouted anti-chinese government words and was never seen again). Most news agencies can't get into china (the canadian group in tibet had to sneak across the border) and the chinese news agency is run by the government. It's difficult to get a clear picture of the exact feelings of the nation without either of these two types of media reporting as they should be. It's only a matter of time before China's people rebel.
I could go much more into detail, but I won't as:
1. I'm not getting paid
2. Most of it's classifed under the Information protection acts of 1986
-
i doubt it would lead to te fall of china. i seriously see china outlasting the u.s. as a superpower.
also, cynic, bad PR is being the top nation in the world and fighting a losing fight in the middle east.