Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: KingRanter on June 05, 2008, 09:52:33 pm
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"I have a higher self-esteem than I give myself credit for"
thats a paradox right? doesn't that sentence seem to prove itself wrong?
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no.
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Yes, it is a paradox.
But then again, I always lie.
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IGNORE THIS POST
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>_>
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*ignores*
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anyways, its like, the way i see it, "I have higher self esteem than i give myself credit for"
its like, I have high self esteem, but i dont think i have self esteem, because I have low self esteem. from perspective. kinda works against the statement on its own.
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IGNORE THIS POST
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That is a paradox.
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...or maybe just arrogant.
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i dont get it
how is it a paradox
i dont get it >.<
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He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.
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He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.
Technically, that's not a paradox, it's a self-defeating prophecy or command.
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He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.
Technically, that's not a paradox, it's a self-defeating prophecy or command.
Your face is a self-defeating prophecy.
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so is my phrase a self defeating prophecy? or is it an actual paradox
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so is my phrase a self defeating prophecy? or is it an actual paradox
A paradox is an inherent self-propagating contradiction - "I am always lying" for example.
"I have a higher self-esteem than I give myself credit for" is certainly a contradiction, but it's not self-propagating, it's self defeating - once you have raised your self-esteem to the level you give youtself credit for (or gave), there is no inherent continuation. Hence, self-defeating prophecy/command, not a paradox.
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Yes, it is a paradox.
But then again, I always lie.
PARaDOx!1!!1one!!!1
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He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.
Technically, that's not a paradox, it's a self-defeating prophecy or command.
Your face is a self-defeating prophecy.
This made me laugh.
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but it isnt "I have higher self esteem than i gave myself credit for" its "I have higher self esteem than i give myself credit for"
notice the difference, its give not gave, therefore its present tense, and to me its saying that i have low self esteem, but i have higher self esteem than i give myself credit for because i have low self esteem, but its self defeating because if i supposedly have low self esteem i wouldnt be saying how i have high self esteem. if you understand that. cause i read it over and i got a bit confused.
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Ah, but that's not a contemporal but a contiguous present - the give in that sentence doesn't operate like you think it does. For it to throw up that temporal paradox, it would have to be "I have higher self-esteem than I am giving myself credit for", as that is an immediate, contemporal present. Even then, I'm still not sure it's a paradox, because it itself is not continuous - it might be temporarily a contradiction, but once you have raised either your esteem or your expectation/assessment of your esteem to match, then the contradiction ceases. Contrast with "I am always lying" where the universal quantifier always creates a genuine self-propagating contradiction, and therefore a paradox. See the difference?