Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Kenneth Kenstar on October 14, 2008, 11:22:05 pm
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This is fucking madness. We are Virginia. We are supposed to be like...the Northern South. While this is hilariously awesome considering McCain's pick for Vice President, I can't help but wonder if this is even correct.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/)
This is the site I got this data from. I have been watching it every day this past month and I saw Virginia going from around 70% to now 93%. I consider this a reputable site because I have a good idea how the site works. The only thing that would not make this a reputable site is the polls it gathers data from.
Let me think for a moment how I feel about this...
Virginia is not any longer part of "Dumbfuckistan".
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Fuck them both, and their oxshitical parties.
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I decree we all vote none of the above.
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I decree we all vote none of the above.
I would agree if our choices were "Bad" and "Bad".
Instead it's "Very Bad' and "Bad".
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I take total blame for the apparent enlightenment of many rednecks.
/I did it for teh lulz.
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virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
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I can't see your ASCII pic because my resolution is slightly too narrow
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virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
I voted Nader.
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XFD Nader
virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
Yeah, well, good luck with your throwaway votes. That's reality. I'm Libertarian, by the way.
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Post made coherent.
I decree we all vote none of the above.
I would agree if our choices were "Bad" and "Bad".
Instead it's "Very Bad' and "Bad".
The media acts like they're the only two people that exist who are running, and the media portrays political theater like it's actually news 99% of them time. It's better at showing advertisements than delivering news now, and the medias beyond even just news btw. The upcoming candidates are the start of a coming holocaust plus they both have lobbyist ties. Just look at how Hilary fucking Clinton, almost got elected. That's just scary, and an example of the pure brainwashing video production work's power. I was in video production.
Most movies, and TV shows like in MTV have turned most guys into horny fucking retards, and girls into dumb cunts who think that just as long as they look pretty they'll be successful it's dead of studding to become an intellectual, because these producers make sure to show in movies a girl with perfect hair in ever scene. Have you even seen common girl commentary? The first thing is about what they're wearing.
The apocalypse has begun.
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XFD Nader
virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
Yeah, well, good luck with your throwaway votes. That's reality. I'm Libertarian, by the way.
YOU SIR ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY! DEFEATIST SCUM!
no really, it's because people think they are 'throwaway votes' that they become just that. also, why do you hate america/freedom/heterosexual marriage.
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XFD Nader
virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
Yeah, well, good luck with your throwaway votes. That's reality. I'm Libertarian, by the way.
YOU SIR ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY! DEFEATIST SCUM!
no really, it's because people think they are 'throwaway votes' that they become just that. also, why do you hate america/freedom/heterosexual marriage.
'cause their just ain't enough people going third party. Even if everyone who said they were going third party in a presidential election actually did, I doubt they'd break 10% of the popular vote and may catch a state's electoral vote. A third party wants to win, they need to start winning local elections, move up to state and House of Reps elections.
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XFD Nader
virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
Yeah, well, good luck with your throwaway votes. That's reality. I'm Libertarian, by the way.
YOU SIR ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY! DEFEATIST SCUM!
no really, it's because people think they are 'throwaway votes' that they become just that. also, why do you hate america/freedom/heterosexual marriage.
I am a member of a third party and I don't even know more than 10 people who know what Libertarian even fucking means...and according to the rest of your post, neither do you. >_>
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Since this is a political topic, special thanks to the GOP of Kalifornia for producing and distributing the following image:
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i know what a libertarian is... it's a minarchist. which i agree with but i don't put myself in a party. i don't like parties because they generate a tendency in people to vote for someone due to their party affiliations and not their actual performance. and of course the more people pay attention to parties, the more partisanship is rewarded, and the more politicians waste time trying to be tonicularz instead of actually doing their fucking jobs.
and again, the reason there are so few people voting independent, is because people think there will be so few people voting independent, as you two have clearly illustrated 'well that will never work because (too many ppl dont think it will work)'
a lot of times people vote for the 'lesser evil' instead of who they really want, because they're more concerned with keeping the guy they Dont want out of office, than getting the guy they Do want. how could this be fixed? eliminate candidates one by one then ppl would vote for who they trust most, instead of who is 'most likely to beat mccain' or 'most likely to beat obama' etc. etc.
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I don't consider myself much of an anarchist and I don't think being Libertarian relates too much with anarchy, either. I'm pretty sure Libertarians are closer to insanity than anarchy, anyway. I'm pretty even when it comes to left and right.
I believe that the government should completely fuck off personal freedoms. By completely, I mean, no laws against ANYTHING having to do with personal choice that does not infringe on the rights of others.
In my mind, a perfect society would have a government that can respect the people to do what is best for themselves. Does anyone think the United States actually believes in this right now? The fucking general populace would rather have authoritarian rule with it's Republicans and Democrats than actual libertarian rule, so I know I'm in the minority.
I want to believe in what our founding fathers believed. I grew up being told what made this nation great: it's foundation. I believe we are far from that, now. That's why I'm libertarian.
I'd much rather have Joe Biden as president, anyway. That man is fucking swagger-incarnate and I'd be proud to call him the leader of my country. Even if he is Democrat.
I could always count on the fanatical rednecks trying to take out Obama, I suppose. They might even be the final nail in the GOP coffin as well. Two birds with one stone!
Almost fucked up, but, I don't care.
Regardless, I'm not voting for the one I think will win. I am voting for the lesser evil, but, I'm trying to think realistically, too.
And the libertarian party's candidate is Ron Paul. He's just too radically "different" for my taste, but, I do like him to an extent.
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Dude, if you don't want authoritative rule, you better hope Biden doesn't get anywhere near the Oval Office. He might not be as dumbfuck an option as Palin or even McCain, but Biden is old school 'crat. Meaning regulating and taxing the public to force them into their vision of what they want the country to be. You know that version of net neutrality that Congress came up with, the one that basically puts the internet in the hands of those with the most money (corporations,) to take over (to sanitize into a corporate friendly environment)? Yeah, Biden is a major player behind that clusterfuck.
Just cause a piece of shit has swagger =/= he'd be somebody to be proud of.
/'sides all that, the real power lies in Congress and state legislatures. You wanna *really* change shit, get legit 3rd parties there. Or, I should say, get the Republicrats out of there.
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virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
The two party system is a good thing.
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virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
The two party system is a good thing.
Parties are a bad idea in general
a no-party system is far superior
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virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
The two party system is a good thing.
Hell no it isn't. No party should ever be able to boast a majority government.
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virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.
The two party system is a good thing.
Parties are a bad idea in general
a no-party system is far superior
yup. barring that, the more parties there are, the more it will be like a no party system, presumably. it will be harder for parties to monopolize influence and they'll have to survive on the results they get instead of the 'image' and propaganda and sensationalism of modern politics.
something about anarchy
i said minarchy. i.e. shrinking the government and expanding/emphasizing the responsibilities and rights of the citizens.
Regardless, I'm not voting for the one I think will win. I am voting for the lesser evil, but, I'm trying to think realistically, too.
yes, voting for the lesser evil, like i said. you are voting for someone so that he will beat the guy you dont want in office, instead of simply voting for your favorite candidate, right? that's what i said the problem was. ppl are voting defensively, trying to beat the guy they dislike the most. they're imagining the worst case scenario and voting to prevent it. the result is that the best case scenario, or even the average, doesn't occur, because the lesser evil is still evil and the parties won't nominate someone who will serve the people any more than we force them to. basically all they have to do is scare us a lot and they guarantee that whoever is second scariest wins, because everyone is so worried about what will happen if the scariest guy wins. and like i said the way to deal with this is eliminate one candidate at a time, then even if your favorite candidate doesnt win, you can still vote for the lesser evil down the road. however people will probably still vote with the same mindset until something is done to change public thinking about it, including the dominance of the media by the two parties. how do we pass laws (and not necessarily about the media coverage) about eliminating prejudice against third or non party, if the government is almost completely partisan? how do we establish a nonpartisan platform for evaluating candidates, that isn't dominated by whoever has the most money or some other form of disproportionate influence? and how will the parties react, seeing as how they've become no longer services of the people, but hierarchies and power structures bent on self-preservation? these questions are actually more important than which president we have next, due to the state to which the process has decayed. if the citizens' good isn't reasserted, it doesn't matter how you vote, and if it is reasserted, even the worst president and party of politicians will bend for it. after all, they're only public-use whores.
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lol
Without a two party system nothing would get done; in a multiparty system coalitions have to form in the legislature to pass anything. they aren't stable because they have conflicting interests within the coalition and often fall apart. A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing. Nobody sensible wants a fascist or stalinist party with representation.
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Without a two party system nothing would get done;
No, there are PLENTY of democratic and/or republic models that feature multiple parties. They have no problems getting the important stuff done.
in a multiparty system coalitions have to form in the legislature to pass anything. they aren't stable because they have conflicting interests within the coalition and often fall apart.
And that's a good thing. I don't want a particular political party ramming their social agenda down my throat. Political coalitions only have to and should only be able to hold toghether long enough to handle critical matters. Which is all they should be dealing with.
A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.
I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.
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- Two Party System
- A Good Thing
Pick one.
Do you understand what a fucking pain in the ass it is to watch the Republican Executive to work with the Democrat Legislative?
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A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.
I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.
Actually Poobah is right about that...
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A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.
I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.
Actually Poobah is right about that...
Actually, no he's not. In fact, he's dead wrong.
The six years that Bush II and the Republicans held Congress saw an attempt to push a far right wing agenda down Americas throats. Or did you think the middle actually approves of assaults on personal freedom/privacy (lol Patriot Act,) attempted manipulation of the Constitution to fit a social engineering agenda (never allow gay marriage amendment,) let poor and/or black people drown for kicks while blaming them for it (New Orleans,) deregulation of the market place (wall street thanks you for that $700 billion, btw.)
You think that's moderate? You think that's the center?! No, fuck that shit, I AM the fucking middle and DON'T EVER try to tell me those fuckers where anywhere near center. Those fucks spent six years calling men like me anti-American cause I didn't simply bend over and allow them to fuck me in the ass.
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two party system only requires moderation to acquire office. if a party gains enough momentum and majority they can depart from moderation for a time. the opposing party can then use this non-moderation as a fear leverage to indulge their own excesses, which then can be exploited by the first party, and so on and so forth, much like a swing gains momentum from one side to the other, or like a succession of continually larger cocks stretching out the vagina of the Public.
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A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.
I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.
Actually Poobah is right about that...
Actually, no he's not. In fact, he's dead wrong.
The six years that Bush II and the Republicans held Congress saw an attempt to push a far right wing agenda down Americas throats. Or did you think the middle actually approves of assaults on personal freedom/privacy (lol Patriot Act,) attempted manipulation of the Constitution to fit a social engineering agenda (never allow gay marriage amendment,) let poor and/or black people drown for kicks while blaming them for it (New Orleans,) deregulation of the market place (wall street thanks you for that $700 billion, btw.)
You think that's moderate? You think that's the center?! No, fuck that shit, I AM the fucking middle and DON'T EVER try to tell me those fuckers where anywhere near center. Those fucks spent six years calling men like me anti-American cause I didn't simply bend over and allow them to fuck me in the ass.
Seriously? Are you fucking serious? Do you know how much farther from the center a political party would be if there was only one? You overlook the fact that if the Republican party was the ONLY party, we would be much, MUCH farther to the right.
Please grow up.
Heh. And you've completely ignored what's been going on the past few years in the market. Deregulation did NOT cause the wall street mess. Your liberal spewing media sources neglect to tell you that it has been the DEMOCRATS over that past few years that have put pressure on these companies to give out the risky loans. The whole predatory lending thing is somewhat true, but mostly a load of BS.
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Oh, and I think that the 93% must be a mistake. I don't think that any state will ever support a candidate so unanimously.
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Seriously? Are you fucking serious? Do you know how much farther from the center a political party would be if there was only one? You overlook the fact that if the Republican party was the ONLY party, we would be much, MUCH farther to the right.
This isn't about moving to ONE party, it's about having more than two.
Heh. And you've completely ignored what's been going on the past few years in the market. Deregulation did NOT cause the wall street mess. Your liberal spewing media sources neglect to tell you that it has been the DEMOCRATS over that past few years that have put pressure on these companies to give out the risky loans. The whole predatory lending thing is somewhat true, but mostly a load of BS.
Eh, that's a load. See, I'm not liberal. You're talking about the Fanny and Freddy loans to low income, high risk potential homeowners, I presume. That'd be fine, should that have been the only problem, but face up to it, it wasn't. Or do you honestly swallow that the richest country in the world had an economy utterly based on two companies? Really? A completely out of control credit market, the one that was fueled by de-regulation and actually encouraged compaines to take on more and more high risk debt was a "load of BS."
Please grow up.
Allow me to retort. You probably need to take yer ass back to econ class and take notes this time and for GOD's sake, do not swallow the damn party lines about how this happened.
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Oh, and I think that the 93% must be a mistake. I don't think that any state will ever support a candidate so unanimously.
It's not 93% of the state, it's 93% of all the polls taken.
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Lawl, I'm a Social Democrat. Which, by the way, has nothing to do with AmeriKKKan politics >_>
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Also, cocks.